Thursday, November 6, 2008

Socialism in America

Okay, so this is an educational post. First off, let me say that there is socialism in our great country. It's been here for decades, and it's affected every one's lives. Everyday, you come face to face with it, you hold it's hand, you walk with it down the street...

Are you scared?

If you are, it's because of something called the Red Scare, and a guy name McCarthy, and the black list, things that happened before my life time. The connotation (the way people feel) of the words Communism and Socialism will never be the same after that.

So many people are afraid of socialism, not recognizing the benefits they enjoy from it everyday. If you hate socialism, then please read "Marx for Beginners" by Rius. It's a graphic novel, and gives a break down of who Marx was and what his philosophy is all about. And, of course, there's the "Communist Manifesto". But let me give a basic breakdown of what Socialism is.

Straight, full-blown socialism would be the elimination of private property in the production, and manufacturing of goods and services. Basically, Bill Gates wouldn't be soooo rich, Microsoft would belong to the government, and Gates would get paid for the work he did. He'd probably still have a good 10 or more million to his name. But everyone else who worked for that company would have more, and the cost of a computer in the store would be less. Now picture the same thing for every company in the US, for every industry. That's full-blown socialism. The point behind it is to give the working class, those who don't own the means of production, the chance to succeed and get ahead.

Now here's the socialism that we have in the US:

Labor Unions
Federal Holidays
The 40 hour work week
Scholarships
Social Security
Public Library
Public Schools
Roads and Highways
Police Dept.
Fire Dept.
National Parks
City Parks
Anything the state or city pays for (city festivals, parades, etc.)

As Americans, we LOVE our Capitalism. But how would we live without Socialism? Let's look at what life in a purely Capitalized America would be like...

You wake up. It's time to drive to work, it's about 20 minutes from your home. You crank up your car, and get on the road, making sure you have the $9 you'll need for tolls. Why? Because roads are private property, and you have to pay to drive on them. You get to work, just your typical 12 hour day. 12 hours? Well, that's what people use to work before the government regulated the work week thanks to labor unions. You've heard a rumor that they might be lowering your hourly pay, so you really want to make a good impression on your boss today, so you're planning on skipping your 15 minute lunch break. Lowering your pay? That's right, no unions, no government interference, you have no rights at your job. If it's 12 hours a day, 6 hours a week, too bad. If your boss harasses you, you can always quit, but it'll be the same somewhere else. If he fires you unfairly, there's nothing you can do. So you're working, and you're thinking about your son. Hopefully when you get home tonight you won't be too tired to tutor him, since you can't afford the private school nearby. You know his only chance of a life better than this is if he gets some kind of education...if only books weren't so expensive....When you get home, there's smoke coming from the kitchen. Quickly, you run in, and turn on the water at the sink, desperately trying to dose the flames...you can't call the fire department, their fees are just too high, so you try to handle it yourself...finally, you get the fire out, but the whole kitchen is ruined, and your lungs are damaged from the smoke. Insurance companies are not regulated at all, so there's no way you can afford the copay at the emergency room, so you decide to just have a glass of water and go to bed. Maybe you'll feel better in the morning. On your one day off, your son want to go to the playground, but they recently raised their entry fee (there's no public land, so this is a private playground someone opened and is charging for) and with the recent damage to the kitchen, there's no way. Plus you're too tired, and it hurts to even breath. So you stay home, coughing in your dark living room, your son begging to go out and play...

Minus the roads (because poor people wouldn't have had cars or horses) this is pretty close to what life in America would have been like 100 years or so ago for the working class. A good book to read to get a better picture of this would be "The Jungle". Yes, there's gross stuff about the meat packing industry, but it also shows the struggle the working class faced before labor unions and before our government started to socialize. I'm not saying straight socialism is a good thing, but neither is straight capitalism.

I've ranted enough on Jen's blog about why I feel that regulating (not socializing) the insurance companies to make health care affordable and accessible is a good thing. Socialism is not a government handout, it's insuring that the workers in a society get their needs met, that everyone has the same privileges, like getting to go to school and the use of public parks. These are things that benefit all Americans.

At the end of this election, the Republican party started throwing around the word 'Socialism' a lot to scare voters. If you listened to Obama speak at the debates, you would know he's not a socialist. I didn't hear him say a single thing about eliminating private business property, did you? I did hear him talk about regulating insurance companies, so we don't have to pay so much for insurance, and so we get better coverage. This makes sense, just like it makes sense for the government to regulate businesses and employers so that employees get worker's rights, like the 40 work week, sick leave, holidays, and minimum wage. We don't think twice about these things in the work place, we expect them. If we expect worker's rights, public education, and public roads, why not affordable health care? During the debates, I heard McCain say that health insurance is a privilege. Now THAT scares me! So if you're too poor to afford it, then you don't deserve good health? Preventative care is sooooo much cheaper than treating an illness, and it's better for society as a whole. If you go to the doctor when you start feeling sick and get early treatment, you're less likely to get other people sick. If you get the flu shot, and then don't get the flu, you won't give the flu to your coworkers and your kids, and your kids won't give it to other kids who could give it to their parents, who could give it to their coworkers...you get the idea.

And this isn't even socialized medicine we're talking about here! (which, by the way, I'd like) This is a baby step by comparison, this is just making sure that every American can afford medical treatment. I've seen so much pain and suffering caused by the cost of health care, I've let myself get way sicker than I should, I've gotten severe tooth infection and felt the agony of that for months, I've had to have teeth pulled because I couldn't afford a doctor or a dentist. I've watched a family struggle under mounting medical debt. We've spent months paying off credit card debt caused by medical and dental bills. This is a serious problem in our country.

We've embraced Socialism in so many other areas of our life, can't we embrace insurance regulations? And is a little socialism blended with our capitalism such a bad thing? Would you really want to live in a country with straight capitalism?

If you still feel uneasy at the word "socialism" I urge you to read and consider those three books. I know that socialism has been linked with athiesm because some of the political philosophers who thought it up didn't believe in God. I feel it's compatible with the gospel, besides, so many things in the scriptures, especially in the teachings of Christ, have a socialist ring to them. I have my own theories in this area which I won't go into now. But may I just say that we can have and maintain our own standards and morals, we can even promote and share them without forcing them on other or on our nation as a whole. I know for several people abortion was a big issue this election. If you feel strongly against abortion, there are clinics across our country that offer counciling to women considering abortion. You could volunteer there, you could actually help someone in that difficult situation. You can adopt. You can voluteer with adoption agencies. Don't protest an abortion clinic, that won't make a difference (let's be honest here) but look at all the ways you can reach out with compassion and love to help others, if this is the issue that you feel so strongly about. I've shared my views a multitude of times, I think it would be unconstitional to make it illegal, and that it would do more harm than good. And I think that for women with a medical need for an abortion or who are the victims of rape it would make it more difficult to obtain one, dragging out an already painful and emotional process. My point: Find proactive, constructive (not destructive) ways to help this problem if you feel strongly about it.

And socialism isn't evil.

Thank you, comrades.

25 comments:

Stansel said...

Hey, Olivia
Socialism sounds great, but remember Satan and his plan. He wanted to force us to be good. He wanted to take away that option to help people and give service. Yes in our world things do not seem fair and socialism looks like a good plan to save everyone and put them on an even playing field. At what cost? Our freedom will be lost with time if we keep going down this road. Those of us that fall short of worldly sucess here are given a promise that we will gain riches in Heaven for eternity.
I would rather eat dirt here and struggle until death than to give up the blessings of freedom. I know I will be blessed for holding true to his will. I may not recieve the blessings here but I know that I will recieve them.
I know these things such as socialism and an one world government of men will come in the last days. Evil will bring us to this via deceit. Honest good people will and have fallen victim to his cunning words!
I have much more to say but I know I can not convince you. We love you wish you well.

Joe Stansel

The Miller Family said...

Holy cow Olivia, I haven't even started reading this yet...just scrolled down to the bottom...where do you find the time to write such a long and (I'm assuming) very deep post?!? Awesome :o)

Now on to read it...

Jenn said...

Hey Olivia,

I just wanted to say one thing. First thanks for the thoughts, it has helped me to dig deeper into what I believe.(okay maybe 2 things then!)

I know you have heard of the frog thrown into the boiling water scenario. It pertains here. If we had been thrown into communism, or even socialism full blown all at once, it would have been rejected handsdown and was. But, we have been fed bits and pieces here and there, or the water has been heated ever so slowly that we as a people have not noticed the eventual outcome. At one point, the water even felt so comfortable. After a while though, we'll be boiled to death.

I read a great talk ( I guess it was a talk) last night on the Law of Consecration and the united order. I can e-mail it to you from lds.org if you want to read it. I learned a lot. I particularly liked the part where it explained the united order to be more closely to capitalism, but between capitalism and socialism. You'll just have to read it.

In conclusion, if 40 hr work weeks, unions-which are horrible anyway, and city parks lead to the boiling of my country...then I think I will choose to just turn off the eye of the stove.

I appreciate your thoughts Olivia! I hope this made some sense.

Unknown said...

Wow...socialism and Satan?! That's a bit far, yes?


Olivia, this is one of the best posts on the topic I have read. Way to go. I agree with what you are saying and sharing and yes, this country is partly built on socialism and it's NOT a bad thing, heck, it certainly pays for my job.

If the religious people commenting here believe in God's plan, then remember this is the promised land. It wont' fall until it is necessary to God's plan for it to fall (if it EVER is necessary!!) God has always been more powerful than Satan.


I am excited about the new turn of hope our country has taken. I believe in the good of Americans more that to believe that we will all greed away our freedom that so many have died to protect. I believe in humanity more than to think we have no brains and will let someone lead us down the path of destruction. I believe that our future, with the hints of socialism it does and will have, it a lot brighter than what many may think!!

Olivia said...

Jen, I'm not saying we should be socialist, I'm saying socialism isn't the devil and capitalism isn't the be-all end-all. I know suffering is part of the plan of salvation, but I refuse to believe that God didn't mean for us to try to make this world a better one to live in. Again, read "The Jungle". Excellent example of our country at a time when the business of making money (aka: Capitalism) was more important than human life, even human descency. When I had Anjali, and we were broke-broke, we were still able to provide for her. I didn't have to work, I was able to get her medical care. Her dying of malnutrion or disease weren't an issue. Faiyaz was able to finish college. Please, read "The Jungle" and compare my experience in 21st century America to that family's experience. I don't think there's any frogs boiling because we had the opportunity to get student loans and grants and briefly medicaid...but without those things, our lives (especially Anjali's) could be tragically different.

If anything, I think Capitalism has become one of Satan's strongest tools in our country. The importance of the dollar is placed before family again and again. People don't have kids or put off having kids or limit the number of kids for the sake of money. When I got pregnant with Anjali, my dear grandmother gave me a lecture about how we'd ruined our potential earning capacity for the rest of our lives. Eventually, she got over it, but that is the attitude most commonly displayed about the family and it's the direct result of capitalism. And, an easy conclusion to draw, if it's attacking the family it's a tool of Satan.

I don't think a little socialism will boil us, but I do think too much capitalism, along with the misery it brings, can ruin both individuals and families. That is the problem with the big insurence companies today, they are money-making businesses out for a profit. Instead of looking to how they can serve and help one of our most important assests (our health) they are looking for ways to capitalize off it, ways to cut corners and make a profit. So much we hear about abotion, about protecting human life, what about protecting the lives of the people already alive? Aren't their lives as sacred as the unborn?

Yes, I rant too much, but I feel strongly about it. This economic crisis we're in is the direct result of greed and capitalism. Of course the values of homes are dropping, and although it hurts those of us with houses (which we're still trying to sell ours) they should be dropping. For house values to be doubling and tripling in a period of five or ten years, while the minumum wage has stayed close to the same, is ridiculous. It puts the cost of a "starter home" well out of the range of a lower middle class family, and it also raises the rent of both houses and apartments. Our greed, the bank's greed, and the greed of realtors have brought us to this point. The same on wall street. Look at history. In any society, when the gap between the very wealth and the very poor becomes too great, one of two things happens: Economic collapse, or Revolution. We're too lazy to revolt, and don't really have enough provocation, so hence the coming of our current crisis.

Olivia said...

D'Arcy, thank you. I'm optimistic as well, but at the same time I'm saddened and annoyed at the "fear ads" the Republican party ran in the last few days before the election. If it's one thing our country has had too much of in the past eight years, it's fear propaganda, and it frustrates me that that fear seems to be lingering on at a time of such great hope and change. Hopefully, that is, depending on the turn our new leadership takes.

And I think it's pretty ridiculous to pin all our hopes and fears on one administration, our government is nothing if not transiant, it can change dramatically every four years with the vote of the people.

Mrs. Blimes said...

ok, i did it! i read the WHOLE thing! you know where i stand, im not leaving a long drawn out comment hee hee i just wanted you to know that i did take the time to read this monumental post.

you are a great writer (and debater) btw... maybe you should run for office... now there's a scary though! lol

Mrs. Blimes said...

ok, im sucked in...i just read all the comments too... i love a good debate (as long as im not involved in it!) we all know how i hate confrontation and find it extremely pointless to debate over religion or politics especially...

so many good issues and questions raised here...really makes ya think...

all i know is i want my mama to have health care that will work FOR her instead of AGAINST... and if the O Bomb will make that happen he has my respect. (even though my mama has said she'd rather die than have government health care....! lol she's a little prideful! hee hee)

i know there was a time in my life that the health dept literally saved my life (even though i hated how dirty and sceevy it was) it truly SAVED me... i guess there is something to be said for government aid... whatever, let's all just get along!

love my girls...

M

Jenn said...

I just want to say, I have no hatred in my "debating"...'Quesas, had mentioned us all getting along, so just wanted to throw that out there...

That being said, can I comment some more without being thrown out?! HA!

To D'Arcy- Of course God is more powerful than Satan. That does not mean Satan doesn't win some of the battles. As His disciples here on earth, I also believe that when you feel something to be wrong, evil, etc...you don't just act as innocent bystanders(sp?). I know that you feel the same way because you also fight for what you believe to be right.

To Olivia-Let me step out on a limb here. Just because we benefit from "socialism" made by the government, does not mean that it is right. We should all take care of each other. Literally CARE for each other. This world is so big and out of control. I don't have all the answers, I only have things in my heart that I personally have been told are true. So here's the going out on a limb part: Just like you said your Grandmother gave you the lecture, most Americans have that mentality, including my parents and Joe's parents to a certain extent. They, and we to a certain extent, have been programed into thinking that once you hit a certain age you are all on your own to take care of yourselves, and assistance is bad...and if not you get government giveaway food and health care that when you go to the grocery store you hit the self checkout just so none of your friends or family might see you using your EBT card...or, when you go to the only doctor that will see your child that day(because she is very ill, and you are trying to avoid the 100 mile round trip adventure to the emergency room because obviously you don't have the $4.00 per gallon it will take to get there and back) and are told that they don't take "that kind" of medicaid, and you start crying in front of everyone because you were already embarrassed to be on medicaid, and then you are turned away...you know what, I don't feel like that's being taken care of.

Care to me is your own family and friends being mindful of you, and you mindful of them, and serving each other. It's getting back to the days of let me pay out of pocket for my own healthcare because it's so affordable because there is no middle men. Or, I have no money and my parents are going to help because I'm working as hard as I can and they have the extra to give willingly.

Really, I do "get it". I understnad why y'all believe socialism is good, I do. Yes, poor people can and do benefit from it. But I still believe it to be the wrong path our country has taken. We should, and I emphasize should, take care of the poor with charity...Charity being the pure love of Christ and not a government handout that was snatched from someone without a choice. Like D'Arcy,I too believe in humanity and that's what we should come back to. But also, Satan is deceitful and it has been told to us that he will lead more of us down into destruction than not.And yes, to echo Olivia greed is a tool Satan has used, but money itself is amoral. People can use it for good or evil. It brings to mind John Huntsman...billionaire, and owner for lack of a better word, founder is a better word.. of the John Huntsman Foundation. A place where people suffering from cancer can go and be taken care of...by charity and not socialism. We need more of this.

Just like you believe that there has been fear propaganda, I believe there has been false hope. Things are not as they may seem. That doesn't mean I'm not optimistic, I just don't place my hope in socialism.

Do y'all know that talk radio has almost been taken off the air?! And when Barack Obama gets in office, let's see if it is not taken off the air. This is not just. People that follow liberal ideals and the such may have hope, but freedom especially of speech is hope for me, and it is being threatend.

I'm sorry this is so long, and I don't even know if my thoughts are translating correctly to the keyboard, but let me say one last thing for this post at least. I don't write this for y'all to believe small, tiny, knowing very little, ole me. I am not so arrogant. Please, turn to our prophets. We here are all members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Of which many of you have...ALL of you have taught me so much about the gospel and I would not have the happiness I have now without y'all. Our prophet Ezra Taft Benson gave a very long talk about socialism in the sixties I think it was, maybe earlier. He warned of what it would do. Did y'all know he was the secretary of state to Eisenhower? Kind of cool. Anyway, if you're interested in it I can figure out the url. I mean, I am open to a certain extent...please if you know of a prophet that has said that socialism is the way, please let me know, I want to listen. But I have not found it. I have only found the things of which I share to be true.

Olivia said...

Unfortunately, Jen, charity leaves too many people, too many lives falling in between the cracks. So often I've heard people rant about the santity of human life where it pretains to the unborn, but doesn't that apply to the living? I'm not supporting full-blown socialism, but I am saying that we can do better, especially in healthy care. Governmental regulations on insurences companies does NOT equal socialism. It equals common sense.

In the developed world, so many other successful first world countries which currently have stronger economies than ours have socialized medicine. Countries like Canada, the UK and France. I can't even afford a hamburger in the UK right now (because of the exchange rate) but if I got hit by a car there I'd be taken care of at the hospital.

Governments are man made entities and I think it's very presumptious to say that one way is all good and another is all evil.

Unknown said...

I haven't had time to read all the new comments today, but I will tomorrow.


However, i was thinking about this:

the Law of Consecration is basically socialism....


discuss amongst yourselves :)

Jenn said...

I knew I wasn't getting my point across because we are going in a circle! So we all shall have our own journeys and hope we end up in the same spot in the end.

Love you gals!

Like I said maybe on my blog, the Law of Consecration is a covenant that you must choose to enter into and socialism is forced upon people by the government. There's a great talk about it on LDS.org, check it out!

Unknown said...

Hey Jenn,

Sorry, i didn't know you had already addressed that. I need to go back today and read all the comments. However, I would love the name of that talk if I could have it. Sounds interesting.

Jenn said...

The name of the talk, or I guess it was a talk, is "To Prepare A People"...Since I can't do a link, you can copy and paste this!

http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=2125d0640b96b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1

There is also a lot I have found about what Ezra Taft Benson had said about socialism. I find it quite enlightening.

Jenn said...

That didn't work, let me try again...

http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=2125d0640b96b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1

Jenn said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
Jenn said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
Jenn said...

Sorry, I can't get the link thing to work out, but if you put "Law of Consecration and socialism" or "To Prepare A People" in the search box at lds.org it will come up, piece of cake...phew!

No, Olivia I did not hijack your blog...sorry about all the deleted comments trying to get this to work! AH!

Olivia said...

No problem Jen, and I agree, there are a lot of flaws in absolute Socialism. Fai and I were talking about this the other night, and he made a really good point that I'd like to share.

The point of having a government at all is to help the people, to use tax money wisely to benefit the nation as a whole. Obviously, we've got things that aren't working right now. Just like with Medicaid, with regular insurence you can't go to any doctor. If Anjali gets sick when we're in New York, we have to go to the Emergency room, which for us is a $100 copay. Ouch. Fai had to go back to physical therapy, twice a week for six weeks. Total in copays? $360. Another ouch which we're trying to squeeze into our budget.

Now, obviously, I know you don't like medcaid (and I didn't either, but it helped my baby so better than nothing, right?) And I know you're against socialized healthcare (which I still think is our best option) but what exactly are your views on Obama's plan to regulate insurence companies in order to provide more coverage at a more affordable rate, enabling more Americans to get affordable medical treatment?

Also, in one of your previous comments you mentioned "getting rid of the middle man" by which I assumed you meant getting rid of insurence companies all together...which, the only way I can see that working is if we had socialized medicine. How do you see that working?

And let me just add on the subject of charity, if Fai and I had to rely on our families for help, we would be out of luck. Period. For people who have families that can help them, that's great, but for us it's not an option.

Jenn said...

Since there's someone who says it so much better than I can:
http://www.mittromney.com/healthcare
You have to scroll down for some reason...he addresses the problem you and I and many others face without socialism.

When I said to eliminate the middle man I was just saying like "Wouldn't it be great?!" Like, back in the horse and buggy days, it was just you and the Doc. Prices of healthcare have been driven up way too far.

And as far as Charity, I'm just saying again, that's what we are supposed to do. Not just your immediate family, but our community family and friends, helping one another. It would definatley be a change of mindset, but that's what we're all looking for, right? "Change", the word of the year.

Let me know what you think about that healthcare plan.

Olivia said...

Okay, here's the problem witn Romney's plan: If there are no regulations on insurence companies, not only can they charge anything they want, they won't have to provide treatment for preexisting conditions or many forms of disease. When Fai started his new job, and we had to pick an insurence company, we had literarly hundreds and hundreds of pages to read about EACH plan to see what was covered and what wasn't. We could have gone with a plan with lower copays, but less coverage.

Oh, and Democrats want socialized medicine? Not many, I'm actually a minority there. And here's the thing, with socialized medicine, you STILL PICK YOUR DOCTOR. You actually have more options. And the service is BETTER because the doctors know you have more CHOICES and you can easily go else where.

I feel that right now insurence companies have too much control, which is part of the reason prices are so high. The other reason is lawsuits and malpractice insurence. And honestly, can you blame doctors for getting malpractice insurence in our sue-crazy age? Point is, insurence companies make billions of dollars in profit each year by providing minimum coverage at maximum price, capitalizing on human lives. They are the true leeches of our society, draining us of both blood and money (literally). They are parasites, feasting on human suffering. Deregulating will only permit these ticks to glut themselves more. The only way they will lower the cost of insurence and provide more coverage is if the big bad federal government stands behind them and twists their arm. And what else do we have government for? The point of government is to protect the American people. The insurence companies are ripping us off, it's time for the government to step in. I highly recommend watching "Sicko", the Michael Moore movie if you don't think we're being ripped off. It will give you nightmares. Charity is the ideal, but the reality is most people are out there for themselves and honestly don't care about others, and unfortunately that includes those in the health care industry.

Jenn said...

Uncle...

but i still strongly disagree:P

and, isn't Michael Moore also the author of "God is NOT great"?

Olivia said...

Not sure, but Sicko is a documentary on health care in America, and I still think it's worth watching. It gives you a good look at what our health insurence companies can and do get away with.

Olivia said...

if you watch it please let me know your thoughts on it. I think you could rent it.

Jenn said...

I thought about it later and I think that Christopher Hitchins is the author of that book, not Michael Moore:)

By the way, I heard you've been pretty sick! Everyone is worried about you and thinking of you! Don't overdose on the tums...I hope you have her soon!